Realignment

Home of the toughest football in Texas
BlueDevil2002
Posts: 177
Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 3:33 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Realignment

Postby BlueDevil2002 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:30 am

Has anything come out of UIL about how they are going to realign now that Harvey has displaced a huge amount of students? My guess is they keep the districts the same and realign after next year. Just a thought.

endguardtackle
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:31 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby endguardtackle » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:50 pm

Msg PurplePunch, he would know!!!!

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:19 pm

Refugio might go 2A div 2 after loss of students to hurricane.

User avatar
PurplePunch
Donating Member 16/17
Posts: 561
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 pm
Location: Mason
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby PurplePunch » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:44 pm

My understanding is that the UIL hasn't made a decision yet. Executive council involved. Lots of factors to consider, but only a (relative) handful of schools.

User avatar
CanadianFan
Posts: 197
Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:16 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby CanadianFan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:27 am

Knowing folks at the UIL as well as I do I can almost certainly guarantee they will not put realignment off a year.
Canadian Wildcats
2007,2008, 2014, 2015 State Football Champions
2015, 2016 State Basketball Champions
First School in Texas UIL History to win Back to Back Football and Basketball Championships in Consecutive years

User avatar
Windthorstfan
Moderator
Posts: 12160
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm
Location: Windthorst, TX
Contact:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Windthorstfan » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:34 am

CanadianFan wrote:Knowing folks at the UIL as well as I do I can almost certainly guarantee they will not put realignment off a year.

I agree with this statement!!!

User avatar
tlbredemeyer
Posts: 185
Joined: Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:43 pm
Location: Mart, TX
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby tlbredemeyer » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:54 am

Windthorstfan wrote:
CanadianFan wrote:Knowing folks at the UIL as well as I do I can almost certainly guarantee they will not put realignment off a year.

I agree with this statement!!!


... and they'll use the numbers available on the census date regardless of whether or not any students are considered to be displaced.

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sat Sep 23, 2017 11:34 pm

Any big changes to your schools enrollment? What class will your school be in??

User avatar
PurplePunch
Donating Member 16/17
Posts: 561
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 pm
Location: Mason
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby PurplePunch » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:56 am

tlbredemeyer wrote:
Windthorstfan wrote:
CanadianFan wrote:Knowing folks at the UIL as well as I do I can almost certainly guarantee they will not put realignment off a year.

I agree with this statement!!!


... and they'll use the numbers available on the census date regardless of whether or not any students are considered to be displaced.

I hope and believe the UIL will work with the TEA, using the fall PEIMS data submission, to gather the data it needs. TEA knows how many are displaced, their names, home school districts, and whether they plan to return. To ignore this wealth of information and make an ignorant decision would be shameful. The UIL and TEA work together on many things, including things like this. I'm hopeful the wise will prevail and we will get a best-possible outcome.

endguardtackle
Posts: 40
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:31 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby endguardtackle » Sun Sep 24, 2017 1:46 pm

PurplePunch wrote:
tlbredemeyer wrote:
Windthorstfan wrote:I agree with this statement!!!


... and they'll use the numbers available on the census date regardless of whether or not any students are considered to be displaced.

I hope and believe the UIL will work with the TEA, using the fall PEIMS data submission, to gather the data it needs. TEA knows how many are displaced, their names, home school districts, and whether they plan to return. To ignore this wealth of information and make an ignorant decision would be shameful. The UIL and TEA work together on many things, including things like this. I'm hopeful the wise will prevail and we will get a best-possible outcome.


You are so smart!!!!! I knew it!!!!!

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:54 pm

Yes it should consider possible students to come back. Wouldnt be fair to say have Refugio playing 2A div.2 and have numbers next year with 220 and year after against schools with 160 and below. Rockport Aransas Pass and Ingleside could also move a division down too. These are small schools only i can think of that would be altered.

User avatar
HawleyRocks
Donating Member 17/18
Posts: 2306
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:43 am
Location: HAWLEY & ABILENE, TEXAS
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby HawleyRocks » Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:02 pm

Yes you can certainly build a case for both these issues... And while it is certain going to be a tough situation for UIL... I think you have to go with the numbers prior to Harvey and then when everything settles for the next realignment then it should be a much more clear picture... Just my opinion, but UIL is notorious for doing something totally different, so I guess we shall see....
Continued Prayers of Recovery For Casey @ Refugio & Scott Akins @ James Bowie Go Bearcats !!! **== **== **== **== **==

User avatar
PurplePunch
Donating Member 16/17
Posts: 561
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 pm
Location: Mason
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby PurplePunch » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:45 pm

If you read through the collection times at this link )http://tea.texas.gov/Reports_and_Data/Data_Submission/PEIMS/PEIMS_Data_Standards/2017-2018_PEIMS_Collection_Schedule/)
you will see that there was an end-of-school submission that designated graduates and returning students by grade, a school start window submission that identifies returning and new enrollees, and an October window that firms things up. By comparing the students in each they can ascertain who should be there, who is, and who isn't. I spent 10 years at TEA and had a hand in identifying and correcting PEIMS errors, among many other things. Believe me, there is a wealth of individual student data available. If certain questions are added to a UIL/TEA query they can make a truly informed decision that will eliminate the problem of schools temporarily affected moving down, or schools with temporary refugees moving up, so the 2018-2020 alignment accurately reflects the actual enrollment, not a hurricane affected drop or jump. It's not rocket surgery, but it will require a targeted response to an unprecedented situation.

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:27 pm

Good info Purple Punch

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:15 pm

When is UIL enrollment snapshot day ? I think it is in October .

User avatar
Eagle 1
Administrator
Posts: 16144
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:48 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Eagle 1 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:09 pm

I heard that Hamilton will go 3A.
Image
Defense wins Championships!

User avatar
Bonecrusher
Donating Member 16/17
Posts: 517
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Bosqueville
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Bonecrusher » Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:16 pm

Axtell might go 3A as well. They barely stayed 2A this time.

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:38 pm

Eagle 1 wrote:I heard that Hamilton will go 3A.


Hamilton schoolboard member says they will likely stay 2A Div 1 unless they lower the number on the cut-off line.

I hear both Goldthwaite & Hico may drop to Div 2 level. Hico is between 155-160 in high school.

May & Blum may move up to 11-man. Both are over 105 ( barely ).

User avatar
Eagle 1
Administrator
Posts: 16144
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:48 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Eagle 1 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:28 pm

Hamilton is already over the cutoff from what I heard.
Image
Defense wins Championships!

User avatar
Windthorstfan
Moderator
Posts: 12160
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm
Location: Windthorst, TX
Contact:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Windthorstfan » Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:39 am

H.TIGFAN wrote:May & Blum may move up to 11-man. Both are over 105 ( barely ).

Remember they allow funny counting for schools wanting to play 6 man so they don't bounce back and forth between between 6-man and 11 man every other alignment

Schools desiring to participate in Conference A football may submit enrollment figures by any one of the following combinations of grades: grades 9, 10, 11 and 12; grades 8, 9, 10 and 11; grades 7, 8, 9 and 10; or grades 9 and 10 doubled.


11 man schools count grades 9-12 (even if can have 6 man numbers by counting the above methods, if you are going to play to 11 man football you have count grades 9-12) (There is a school in the area that thought they could count the 1A, but were told since they wanted to play 11 man had to count 9-12)

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:01 pm

Bells likely going back up after a 2 year stay in 2A.

User avatar
Pigskin Swammy
Donating Member 17/18
Posts: 869
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:44 am
Location: Valley View Tx
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Pigskin Swammy » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:46 am

H.TIGFAN wrote:Bells likely going back up after a 2 year stay in 2A.


They I don't think had a player going both ways when we played them last Friday.

Valley View was at an enrollment of 216 last Friday!
The most under utilized pc of football equipment is 5 man & 7 man blocking sledd

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Wed Oct 04, 2017 3:50 pm

What us refugiis enrollment?

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:49 am

Talked to a couple of refugio faculty. They said on average 8 to 10 students from each grade have yet to return to school. If Refugio had 204 if you take away 40 students from high school its gonna bring them close to 2A DIV 2. ouch long way from 450 ish students it had in 70s. Sad to see a town become a ghost town. Needs a new industry there.

oldtimer
Posts: 34
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:57 am
Location: Texas
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby oldtimer » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:06 am

Refugio is far from a ghost town .... Still not sure how they aren't 3A ....

User avatar
Mowdy Ag
Posts: 14
Joined: Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:12 pm
Location: Marble Falls
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Mowdy Ag » Mon Oct 09, 2017 6:44 pm

...maybe not exactly a ghost town, but its boom days are long past. RHS's pre-Harvey expected enrollment was well under half of what it was when I attended (I'm c/o '72). Yes, a new local industry is needed to offset the depletion of the oil fields. ...don't know what that would be though.

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:21 pm

Mowdy Ag wrote:...maybe not exactly a ghost town, but its boom days are long past. RHS's pre-Harvey expected enrollment was well under half of what it was when I attended (I'm c/o '72). Yes, a new local industry is needed to offset the depletion of the oil fields. ...don't know what that would be though.


Most small towns in America are in the same boat. Factories closed down, and so did the towns.

ManInBlack
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby ManInBlack » Mon Oct 09, 2017 9:28 pm

oldtimer wrote:Refugio is far from a ghost town .... Still not sure how they aren't 3A ....



Pretty simple really. Size of the town has nothing to do with how many kids are 9th-12th grade. Refugio has had an enrollment right around 200 (give or take a few either way) for a while now. Fact is, a lot of the people in town are old and their kids are grown and gone. The town might stretch 2 miles down Hwy 77, not more than a couple blocks wide, and that Highway (& all the traffic up & down it) is the reason for the Pizza Hut, Burger King, Whataburger, DQ, McDonald’s, Subway, etc.

Could be a bit off, but I’m almost positive that when RHS reopened after Harvey the enrollment was close to 190/195

User avatar
Pigskin Swammy
Donating Member 17/18
Posts: 869
Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:44 am
Location: Valley View Tx
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Pigskin Swammy » Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:02 am

Valley View enrollment numbers dropped from 215 to 213 in the last week!
The most under utilized pc of football equipment is 5 man & 7 man blocking sledd

PurpleCloudFan
Posts: 18
Joined: Sun Oct 07, 2012 1:16 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby PurpleCloudFan » Fri Oct 13, 2017 2:24 pm

Munday is currently holding at 92 enrollment.
WE ARE MUNDAY!!!

User avatar
Eagle 1
Administrator
Posts: 16144
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:48 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Eagle 1 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 4:33 pm

I hope Goldthwaite stays in the same district for a change. Very close games for us.
Image
Defense wins Championships!

User avatar
PurplePunch
Donating Member 16/17
Posts: 561
Joined: Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:53 pm
Location: Mason
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby PurplePunch » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:18 pm

Mason at 212.

tackleewe
Posts: 24
Joined: Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:12 pm
Location: austin
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby tackleewe » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:57 pm

Im amazed!! Refugio has a mcdonalds, pizza hut' whataburger, burgerking, subway???? Hell, thats a city where im from. In Mason, we have a DQ. Thats it!! If you go fast enough, u will miss that, lol. You folks from refugio got it made. We aint got no place to go, we gotta cook!!

BlueDevil2002
Posts: 177
Joined: Thu May 08, 2014 3:33 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby BlueDevil2002 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 7:53 am

It is about the traffic on 77. They support all of the businesses in Refugio. There is going to be a problem when I-69 by-passes the town.

User avatar
cowboyz
Posts: 509
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:35 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby cowboyz » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:09 am

Clarksville was 2A for awhile and they until recently had a Walmart and have a highway loop around their town. Businesses/homes does not necessarily equal kids.

MogulPride
Posts: 47
Joined: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:47 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby MogulPride » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:13 am

Perrin-Whit,Morton, Leakey all dropping-I wonder if that is going to push the number of 2A-Div 2 Up so there are enough teams to fill out the regions. maybe up to 170?105-170?

User avatar
Windthorstfan
Moderator
Posts: 12160
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm
Location: Windthorst, TX
Contact:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:04 am

MogulPride wrote:Perrin-Whit,Morton, Leakey all dropping-I wonder if that is going to push the number of 2A-Div 2 Up so there are enough teams to fill out the regions. maybe up to 170?105-170?

Windthorst was dropping to Div II irregardless of the number, Mart's TEA number was around the cut-off used last alignment. Granted there were other schools that were on the cusp of moving up as well Lindsay and Muenster based on their TEA. Tioga is moving out of 6-man numbers into 11 man. Might be a few other 6 man schools moving up.

M3B
Posts: 13
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:27 am
Location: Centex
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby M3B » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:28 am

Mart is right at the cutoff this year as well

User avatar
Windthorstfan
Moderator
Posts: 12160
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:25 pm
Location: Windthorst, TX
Contact:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:42 am

M3B wrote:Mart is right at the cutoff this year as well

That's what I meant! They weren't really close last alignment as their enrollment was 170 and the cutoff was 157, but this alignment they will probably right near the cutoff - either one of the larger DII schools or smaller DI schools

User avatar
HawleyRocks
Donating Member 17/18
Posts: 2306
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:43 am
Location: HAWLEY & ABILENE, TEXAS
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby HawleyRocks » Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Hawley's Number is 208, I was told... #:-S #:-S \:D/ \:D/
Continued Prayers of Recovery For Casey @ Refugio & Scott Akins @ James Bowie Go Bearcats !!! **== **== **== **== **==

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:33 pm

Windthorstfan wrote:
MogulPride wrote: 6 man schools moving up.


I hear New Home, Blum , and May is close to the 105 cutoff line. They could go either way.

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:02 pm

Refugio was 217. Enrollment post hurricane is at 172. I dont know how to adjust for students that will return once living arrangements are made. Hate to see them drop to division 2 and then have 217 students and beating up on poor Aqua Dulce.

H.TIGFAN
Moderator
Posts: 3724
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:22 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby H.TIGFAN » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:12 pm

Blackshirt wrote:Refugio was 217. Enrollment post hurricane is at 172. I dont know how to adjust for students that will return once living arrangements are made. Hate to see them drop to division 2 and then have 217 students and beating up on poor Aqua Dulce.


217 or 172 will likely put them in 2A Div 1 on both numbers.

ManInBlack
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby ManInBlack » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:31 pm

Refugio’s enrollment is a little over 200 - not 172

User avatar
4Gata
Posts: 161
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2016 3:36 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby 4Gata » Sat Oct 21, 2017 6:33 pm

I may be wrong, but isn't the deciding number the average of the previous two years? Either way, I still see us staying in 2A Div 1.

User avatar
cowboyz
Posts: 509
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:35 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby cowboyz » Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:05 pm

Put your JV/Backup/2nd string in and play the game.... if the score runs up it runs up. It's the other team's job to stop it. It's more embarassing IMO for the weird punt/kneel stuff than to just play and give up alot of points.

Now throwing 11 TD passes with your starting QB to pad stats in an 83-0 game is just classless... Karma is coming next season and it's name is Gunter Tigers (might get an early taste from the Mart Panthers as well)

ManInBlack
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon May 04, 2015 6:59 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby ManInBlack » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:57 pm

cowboyz wrote:Put your JV/Backup/2nd string in and play the game.... if the score runs up it runs up. It's the other team's job to stop it. It's more embarassing IMO for the weird punt/kneel stuff than to just play and give up alot of points.

Now throwing 11 TD passes with your starting QB to pad stats in an 83-0 game is just classless... Karma is coming next season and it's name is Gunter Tigers (might get an early taste from the Mart Panthers as well)



I’ll bite....

1.) Refugio “running up the score” by playing starters for 3 Quarters against a district full of overmatched teams to make sure they had enough conditioning/reps to get over the hump & win it all was 6 years ago - & I’d say it worked out pretty well for them since they won the title.

2.) If you’re referring to 2013, well, I’d say that Gunter/Mart are a little late since Cisco put it on the Cats pretty good in the title game that year.

3.) Refugio got drilled by Canadian on live TV in front of the whole state in 2015, nothing but how good Canadian was from the Cats.

4.) You do realize it was Mart that scored 90 last night and not Refugio, right? Refugio hasn’t been accused of running up the score on anyone since they got put in a much stronger district with Shiner and others in 2014.

5.) Pretty sure Refugio’s schedule shows they aren’t afraid to play anyone - Cameron Yoe, Geronimo Navarro, Goliad, Mathis, Edna, etc.

HORNETdad
Posts: 344
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:55 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby HORNETdad » Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:41 am

Windthorst was dropping to Div II irregardless of the number, Mart's TEA number was around the cut-off used last alignment. Granted there were other schools that were on the cusp of moving up as well Lindsay and Muenster based on their TEA. Tioga is moving out of 6-man numbers into 11 man. Might be a few other 6 man schools moving up.[/quote]

Was told by a very reliable source Muenster will stay small turning in 154

Blackshirt
Posts: 176
Joined: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:44 pm
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby Blackshirt » Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:36 am

Was told by employee in refugio isd business office that Refugio is down 90 students in grades k thru 12. So if you lose 7 students a grade and there are 4 grades 9 thru 12 thas 28 students so 200 minus 28 is 172 so she might be right. Where are you getting your numbers from that over 200 is the right number? Not saying your wrong but this person is pretty reliable.

User avatar
cowboyz
Posts: 509
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:35 am
Location:
Status: Offline

Re: Realignment

Postby cowboyz » Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:49 am

Maninblack,

Wasn't talking about Refugio, I was on here defending them a few years back when the scoring was an issue. I don't have a problem with lopsided scores at all, it's all about how you get there.


Return to “2A Texas Football”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: abe froman, BigTweet and 12 guests