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Postby Doremonger » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:02 am

Albany’s offense has been unstoppable all year but they lack some size and could have some trouble with a grind it out team with size. What’s the scouting report on Muenster?

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby hillcountydog » Sat Dec 02, 2017 9:41 am

Two really good teams that seem to be evenly matched......Like most big games, will come down to turnovers....Give me Albany by a touchdown....

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Postby cowboyz » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:32 am

Defense wins championships... teams are evenly matched EXCEPT Muenster appears to have an edge on defense. Albany has given up twice as many points throughout the season and checking the box scores many of them were in the competitive portion of the game. Muenster 35-21.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Goodknight » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:59 am

Big strong lineman often come into play this deep in the playoffs. Does either team have some big guys up front? Sounds like they are both undersized. Coach Carney has not had much luck against Coach Faith in the past, both at Lindsay and Muenster, but he is probably coaching his best team, in all his years of coaching. Both schools are likely on the high end of enrollment numbers for Div II. Muenster points allowed is less, but only one common opponent. Both schools have good programs. Two very balanced teams that can pass or run.
About all I'll predict is, it won't be a blowout one way or the other!

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Mahir » Sat Dec 02, 2017 5:54 pm

Meuster for region title and state title to go with last years basketball and baseball titles. Just more talent and heart than rest of state.

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Postby Windthorstfan » Sat Dec 02, 2017 11:26 pm

Most computer projections have Muenster a TD favorite versus Albany, Wellington, and Tenaha. Have to continue to take care of the ball and stay healthy. Was surprised Muenster was playing with their starters on their final TD drive in the 4th qtr up 34-0.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Toomb » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:04 pm

cowboyz wrote:Defense wins championships... teams are evenly matched EXCEPT Muenster appears to have an edge on defense. Albany has given up twice as many points throughout the season and checking the box scores many of them were in the competitive portion of the game. Muenster 35-21.


Yes Albany has given up more points than Muenster but most of those points are scored after Albany has pulled starters. The starting D has given up 43 points.

As to the game I think the winner of this game will win by 3 or 4 TDs. Both teams have great offenses and who ever makes a mistake the other team can punish them for it. Albany has to play far better than they have been playing to win. At this point with 3 games left teams have to play as close to perfect as they can or their season is over.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:34 pm

Toss up. Can't make a prediction.

Muenster will have to run better between the tackles than they did versus Munday. The Moguls stymied them early but got torched through the air.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby H.TIGFAN » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:55 pm

Muenster 28-21

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Pigskin Swammy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:15 pm

Windthorstfan wrote:Most computer projections have Muenster a TD favorite versus Albany, Wellington, and Tenaha. Have to continue to take care of the ball and stay healthy. Was surprised Muenster was playing with their starters on their final TD drive in the 4th qtr up 34-0.

I suspect Coach Carney played his kids as deep into the game hoping to build endurance for the Albany game..
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Windthorstfan » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:14 pm

Pigskin Swammy wrote: I suspect Coach Carney played his kids as deep into the game hoping to build endurance for the Albany game..

Then why not play them the final 6 minutes up 41-0 on defense?!!! Heck Mart pulled their kids on their final possessions against us and we barely played a quarter in plays in the second half with the non-stop clock. Approximately 80 plays were run in the 1st half by both teams and only 28 in the second half. "Style points" don't matter in the playoffs just win and keep you kids healthy. There were a couple of hits in the Munday-Muenster where I was concerned for the Muenster kid's knees. Clean solid hits.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Pigskin Swammy » Mon Dec 04, 2017 2:30 pm

Windthorstfan wrote:
Pigskin Swammy wrote: I suspect Coach Carney played his kids as deep into the game hoping to build endurance for the Albany game..

Then why not play them the final 6 minutes up 41-0 on defense?!!! Heck Mart pulled their kids on their final possessions against us and we barely played a quarter in plays in the second half with the non-stop clock. Approximately 80 plays were run in the 1st half by both teams and only 28 in the second half. "Style points" don't matter in the playoffs just win and keep you kids healthy. There were a couple of hits in the Munday-Muenster where I was concerned for the Muenster kid's knees. Clean solid hits.


Yep its always a tough call to make .. Who knows what the correct thing is to do in a situation like that.
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby RedRaider82 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 10:37 pm

Believe me...Coach Carney knows exactly what he is doing. He is building his starters ability to last four quarters against a formidable opponent at his own pace. Thats a tough chore to accomplish when the scores of the regular season games (and the first three playoff games for that matter) have been so lopsided at the half. His past playoff experience against the great teams (Mart, Albany, Bremond, Tenaha, Munday) is paying off this season and the stage will never be too big for this bunch.
Muenster wins the game 42-14 and advances to the semi-final round.
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby bluedawg » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:39 am

My opinion, Albany wins this one.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby lsg13 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:14 am

Albany has had a slightly tougher schedule,nobody the caliber of Colorado City or Cisco on Muenster schedule,but those games were a long time ago,I think Albany by 7

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Postby HORNETdad » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 am

lsg13 wrote:Albany has had a slightly tougher schedule,nobody the caliber of Colorado City or Cisco on Muenster schedule,but those games were a long time ago,I think Albany by 7


Colorado City beat Iraan only by 20? I wouldn’t call that a tougher opponent honestly .... but us playing valley view I would put up there

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:49 am

HORNETdad wrote:
lsg13 wrote:Albany has had a slightly tougher schedule,nobody the caliber of Colorado City or Cisco on Muenster schedule,but those games were a long time ago,I think Albany by 7


Colorado City beat Iraan only by 20? I wouldn’t call that a tougher opponent honestly .... but us playing valley view I would put up there

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby cowboyz » Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:24 pm

Those are good wins, but you can't beat who you didn't play. Muenster has not won by less than 30 or so all season. This one is going to be settled on the field Friday.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby OskeeWowWow » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:52 pm

Shame they decided to play this game up there in Oklahoma.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby lsg13 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:22 am

Surprise surprise Abilene paper picks Albany by 4 points

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Windthorstfan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:38 am

Stepp’s Pick: Muenster by 1
Max’s Pick: Albany
Ishmael’s Pick: Albany
Brady’s Pick: Muenster

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Goodknight » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:01 pm

Will likely boil down to turnovers. Still wondering if a lot of points will be scored or if defenses will prevail. Wondering a little about Albany's secondary. In any event, a dang good team will not make it out of Region 2.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Windthorstfan » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:42 pm

Saw this on Twitter:

Muenster: No. 1 in scoring offense in 2A DII, No. 1 in scoring defense in 2A DII.

Albany: No. 2 in scoring offense in 2A DII, No. 4 in scoring defense in 2A DII.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Goodknight » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:46 pm

Windthorstfan wrote:Saw this on Twitter:

Muenster: No. 1 in scoring offense in 2A DII, No. 1 in scoring defense in 2A DII.

Albany: No. 2 in scoring offense in 2A DII, No. 4 in scoring defense in 2A DII.


Does seem to indicate a slight edge to Muenster, at least on paper. Still another variable is the strength of schedules. Only one common opponent.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby lsg13 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:43 pm

Dont think Albany have been at their best last 2 weeks possibly overconfident,I dont think that will happen tomorrow,or I hope it doesnt

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Postby lsg13 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:09 am

Hope everyone has safe travels,lots of construction and diversions between here and Iowa Park,GO LIONS

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:15 pm

First Drive:
Muenster gets the ball near midfield. Stevens has big 30-40 yard run deep into Albany territory but negated by illegal formation penalty. Punt.

Albany gets one first down on QB keeper before punting. Only 20 yard punt. Muenster takes over near 40.

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Postby 1afootball » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:20 pm

Muenster 7-0
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:21 pm

Second drive:
Muenster offense gets into a rhythm, decent run by QB McGrew followed by nice pass plays to Stevens and Luttmer. Muenster gets stopped near 15 and settles for FG. FG is good but Albany gets flagged for a PF. Stevens scores three plays later from the 1. Muenster 7-0.

Albany calls a pass play on third and short and no is open. Punt backs up Muenster inside the 20.

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Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:32 pm

End of first Q.

Muenster gets two big third down conversions on 3rd and medium. One to S. McGrew and another to Luttmer. A ball deflected at the line of scrimmage is almost intercepted by Albany.

3rd and 13 and Herr drops what would have been a first down. Albany takes over near own 25.

Faith and Hamilton connect for 30 yards on pump fake. Edgar carries for 9 yards on 2nd and 5. Albany runs jump pass on 4th and two and Stevens makes a great play from the safety position to deflect it. Muenster takes over on own 27.
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:41 pm

Fourth drive:

McGrew to Trubenbach for 22 yards on 3rd and 10. Luttmer fumbles on swing pass on next play and Albany recovers.

Screen play is set up beautifully and Edgar runs it down for 40+ yards to the Muenster 12 yard line. Muenster gets called for defensive hold on 2nd and 12; giving Albany first and goal at 7.

TD Albany. 7-6. Missed extra point.

1:26 left in 2Q.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:56 pm

Fifth drive.

High, short kickoff caught near 40 by Muenster lineman. McGrew for a decent gain. One minute left. Incomplete pass. 9 yard completion by Pagel; setting up 4th and 1 on Albany 41. Muenster runs clock down to 0:14 before taking timeout. Muenster punts and clock runs out.

7-6 Muenster at halftime.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:18 pm

A few thoughts:

-Teams are about evenly matched. Great game thus far. Crowd is almost full capacity.
-Albany's leading receiver (Neece) went out of the game and hasn't returned
-If you're Albany, Edgar needs more touches. Outside of goal to go situations, he only has one carry.
-Keep it on the ground on early downs if you're Muenster. McGrew looks good through the air but Muenster is getting 4-5 yards per carry with their backs.
-I didn't like Muenster's clock management before half. With 4th and one at the Albany 41, I think you try to hit a short pass play to set up a FG opportunity. Muenster's kicker has been good from 40 yards this season. I know you're worried about leaving Albany time but they would've had to 60 yards in roughly 8 seconds.
-Special teams match-up favors Muenster big time
-Albany needs to eliminate dumb penalties. They've had about five pre-snap penalties and gifted Muenster a TD with a PF on the FG try

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:32 pm

Sixth series:

Albany fumbles kickoff and nearly gives it away. Hamilton to Faith on 2-9 for 15 yards to Albany 45. 9 yard run by Hamilton on draw play on 1st and 10. Edgar stopped for a loss of half a yard on 2-1. Hamilton stood up for half a yard on sneak play. Hamilton picks up first down on 4th and one by a few inches. First down to Muenster 45.

Perfect pass from Hamilton to Dacus to give Albany 1-10 on 15 yard line. Albany to Edgar for one yard on 1-10. He had Faith open for a TD but didn't see him.

Hamilton to Dacus in the corner for a 16-yard TD. Two point conversion is wide open but Hamilton overthrows swing. 12-7 Albany.

Muenster takes over on their own 25 after muffed kickoff. McGrew breaks a few tackles and goes for 69 yards on simple draw play. Muenster 14-12.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:41 pm

Seventh series:

Hamilton gets two on keeper. S. McGrew makes great defensive play on deep ball to bring up 3rd and 8. Albany converts on short pass route to Adam Faith. 1st and 10 at 40.

Edgar gets bottled up for no gain. Second and 12 pass to Dacus is nearly intercepted. Third down pass is thrown behind receiver. Albany punt is returned to Muenster 40.

Trubenbach stopped for two. Second down pass in thrown away. Screen to Pagel is snuffed out and McGrew has to throw it away. Muenster punts to 18 yard line.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:48 pm

Eighth series:

Hamilton is sacked for a loss of 5 yards by Cheney. Timeout Muenster with 3:12 left. A short pass to Faith goes for 7. Albany runs reverse pass on 3rd and 8 and S. McGrew breaks it up. Albany punts to their own 44.

False start on Muenster. P. McGrew carries for 5. Stevens is hit for no gain by Edgar. P. McGrew evades the rush and is able to escape for 8 yards. 4th and two. Stevens barely converts.

McGrew picks up two. McGrew loses one; tackled by Hamilton. End of 3Q.

Stevens gets three on 3rd and 9. 4th down and 6. McGrew to Herr for 17 yards. 1st and 10 at the Albany 15.

McGrew is stopped by Edgar for one. McGrew's pass to S. McGrew is thrown behind. 3rd and 8. Luttmer catches jump ball from McGrew for a TD.

Muenster 21-12 with a little over ten minutes left.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:01 pm

Ninth series:

Dacus brings KO out to 28. False start on Albany. Hamilton to Dacus for 10. Hamilton is hit in backfield by Danglmeyer. 3rd and seven. Hamilton to Faith for big pass play. First down at Muenster 35.

Hamilton for two; stopped by Danglmeyer. Hamilton pass to Faith for first down at 22. Hamilton for four. Hamilton sacked at 28 by Danglmeyer. Third and 16. Timeout Muenster with 6:48 left. False start on Albany. Third and 21. Edgar for 5. Fourth and 16. Hamilton sacked by Trubenbach. Muenster takes over with 6 minutes left at their own 36.

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Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:10 pm

Tenth series:

McGrew is sacked for a loss 6. McGrew is hit hard after a gain of 5. Third down and 11. Stevens is hit for a loss of three by Hebel. Muenster punts away to 24 yard line with 3:30 left.

Screen pass is incomplete. Deep ball over the middle is almost intercepted. Third and 10. Hamilton to Faith for 12 yards and a first down. False start on Albany. Pass over the middle is jarred loose. Second and 15 at 36 with 2:30 remaining. Hamilton is sacked by Danglmeyer. Third down and 26. McGrew knocks away pass intended for Dacus. 4th and 26. 1:53 left. Incomplete.

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Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:17 pm

Stevens jukes out a defender walks into the end zone. 28-12 Muenster with 1:40 to play.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:22 pm

Albany turns it over on downs.

Muenster wins. Congrats to Coach Carney and company.

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Postby MuensterBob » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:27 pm

Albany held to 30 rushing yards on 29 carries.

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Postby 1afootball » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:31 pm

Wow I read somewhere that Albany avgs 55 points per game not tonight lol Congrats Muenster
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Postby bluedawg » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:20 am

Congrats to Muenster and good luck with Wellington. Albany had a great season, but this deep in the playoffs turnovers and penalties will kill you no matter how good a team you have.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby lsg13 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:45 am

Congratulations to Muenster who were the better team on the night,two fairly even matched teams the difference maker in my opinion was the mobility of Muenster qback.It was a very frustrating night for Albany,losing a 6'3" receiver hurt but he was also the punter which really hurt,why the coaches kept on trying to run our qback up the middle was amazing it never worked one time but to do it 10-15 times and not work one time,they probably could not hear the fans calling for something different,and maybe ignore it if they heard it,that and multiple false start penalties very frustrating watching,any way again congratulations to Muenster now go win it all

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Toomb » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:30 pm

Penalties did hurt Albany. There was a number of Albany people and non Albany people that talked about the refs. Muenster got away with a number of holds, defensive holding on Albany WRs, and Muenster movement and WR leaving before snap that was never called. I did not care for the Refs. Sure those things can hurt but that is not what got Albany beat.

Albany has not been playing at a high lever consistently for a number of weeks. Dont get me wrong, some of the players played consistently at a high level but as a team they did not. I watched Muenster 3 times before Albany played them and every time I watched them they played at a high level. After the first time I watched them I felt Albany could beat them. At the time Albany had played at a high level up to the Cross Plains game, but after that it was not consistent and that worried me. What it came down to is Muenster played Muenster football and Albany did not play Albany football. The play calling was pathetic. There was a lot of Albany people yelling at the coaches and not just them there was a number of non Albany people making comments on it as well. Did not do anything that got them there. Not the first time Albany people have seen that though.

It is down to 4 teams now. Good luck to all of them.
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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby MuensterBob » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:36 pm

Toomb wrote:Penalties did hurt Albany. There was a number of Albany people and non Albany people that talked about the refs. Muenster got away with a number of holds, defensive holding on Albany WRs, and Muenster movement and WR leaving before snap that was never called. I did not care for the Refs. Sure those things can hurt but that is not what got Albany beat.

Albany has not been playing at a high lever consistently for a number of weeks. Dont get me wrong, some of the players played consistently at a high level but as a team they did not. I watched Muenster 3 times before Albany played them and every time I watched them they played at a high level. After the first time I watched them I felt Albany could beat them. At the time Albany had played at a high level up to the Cross Plains game, but after that it was not consistent and that worried me. What it came down to is Muenster played Muenster football and Albany did not play Albany football. The play calling was pathetic. There was a lot of Albany people yelling at the coaches and not all that there was a number of non Albany people making comments on it as well. Did not do anything that got them there. Not the first time Albany people have seen that though.

It is down to 4 teams now. Good luck to all of them.

Why did Faith call 20 designed QB runs? That was bewildering. The Hamilton kid is a good athlete but not exactly a burner on the ground.

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Re: Albany v. Muenster- who you got?

Postby Toomb » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:03 pm

MuensterBob that is a good question. Hamilton is a great young man and his stats speak for him. The coaches did a good job all year mixing up the plays but last night did not even look like Albany.

Good luck to Muenster.


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