2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

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2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby WindthorstDad » Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:52 pm

2016 Texas Girls Coaches Association Softball Poll
March 21, 2016

Class 2A

1. Shiner 13-3
2. Beckville 17-3-1
3. Schulenburg 9-3
4. Windthorst 14-2
5. Archer City 14-1-1
6. Harleton NR
7. Ralls 10-3
8. Italy 11-2
9. Frost 8-1
10. Evadale 7-1
11. Martin's Mill NR
12. DeLeon 12-3
13. Milano 11-3
14. Normangee 10-3
15. Sabine Pass NR
16. Honey Grove 9-4
17. West Texas 9-4
18. Ore City 9-4-1
19. D'Hanis 10-6
20t. West Hardin NR
20t. Cayuga NR
20t. Haskell NR
20t. Groveton

Windthorst beat Vernon Northside 22-3 to improve to 14-2. The Trojanettes own a 4-1 win over one of the other top regional teams in Haskell during the Burkburnett tournament.
Shiner Lady Comanches (13-3) (1-0), win district opener vs Louise and topped Victoria's St. Joe in non-league play action. Exciting week coming up. Tuesday, district action resumes with vastly improved Schulenburg and on Thursday Weimar. Although Weimar just returned from San Antonio with the gold medal in basketball, the Lady Cats make the transition to softball look easy. In the last 5 years Weimar and Shiner have won 4 state championships on the diamond.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby acesfull » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:30 pm

Showdown Friday between #4 and #5 always fun. These girls friends off the field but compete hard on it.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Bearcat77 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:44 pm

#4 Windthorst Trojanettes (14-2)-vs-#5 Archer City Lady Cats (14-1-1).


Archer City L 2-3 Bangs.
Archer City/Paradise ties 6-6.

I was trying to see Windthorst's 2 losses but nothing is shown at either site??
https://gc.com/t/spring-2016/windthorst ... .........(3-0)?
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/wi ... dthorst,tx)/softball/schedule.htm..(6-0)?




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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Windthorstfan » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:16 pm

Bearcat77 wrote:#4 Windthorst Trojanettes (14-2)-vs-#5 Archer City Lady Cats (14-1-1).


Archer City L 2-3 Bangs.
Archer City/Paradise ties 6-6.

I was trying to see Windthorst's 2 losses but nothing is shown at either site??
https://gc.com/t/spring-2016/windthorst ... .........(3-0)?
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/wi ... dthorst,tx)/softball/schedule.htm..(6-0)?




We lost to Stephenville 5-6 and Snyder 5-6. I sent in the schedule corrections to Maxpreps yesterday but they have not been updated yet.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Bearcat77 » Tue Mar 22, 2016 3:50 pm

Windthorstfan wrote:We lost to Stephenville 5-6 and Snyder 5-6. I sent in the schedule corrections to Maxpreps yesterday but they have not been updated yet.
...wow to a 4A schools ! :-? !

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby WindthorstDad » Tue Mar 22, 2016 4:25 pm

Bearcat77 wrote:
Windthorstfan wrote:We lost to Stephenville 5-6 and Snyder 5-6. I sent in the schedule corrections to Maxpreps yesterday but they have not been updated yet.
...wow to a 4A schools ! :-? !


Yes sir. Snyder has been to state the past two years and Stephenville is very good. Those two games were competitive and could have gone either way as they were timed games.
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:57 pm

The polls aren't very accurate and borderline on comedy quite frankly. It's a thankless task but one guy responsible for all classifications while also depending on comments from coaches, parents, and others leads to a very inaccurate methodology of polling.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby acesfull » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:46 pm

startrekie wrote:The polls aren't very accurate and borderline on comedy quite frankly. It's a thankless task but one guy responsible for all classifications while also depending on comments from coaches, parents, and others leads to a very inaccurate methodology of polling.



Very true to a degree. But top Shiner, AC, Windthorst, Schluenburg, hard to argue with but I do believe haleton and Weimar are in there as well, I don't know anything about Beckville or how good the last few years but these other teams can play and should be in the mix at the end.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:53 pm

But to not being in the poll at all, to being in the top 10 or even 5, is a bit of a stretch. Beckville should be feared.

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Postby WindthorstDad » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:19 am

startrekie wrote:But to not being in the poll at all, to being in the top 10 or even 5, is a bit of a stretch. Beckville should be feared.


Not at all. the pre-season poll is nothing more than last year's finish so of course it's not a true reflection of this years teams and is a reason we poke fun at it.

The true poll is after tournament season is over and district begins. That poll reflects teams records, to that point, which is more accurate. I agree with ACESFUL that the current poll is fairly accurate and most of the teams there belong in the top 20, especially the top 10.
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:31 am

Some yes. I'm not taking about preseason. I'm talking now. There are 6-10 that there is no way they are top 20

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:33 am

Not just in 2a. Many in the other classifications as well.. It's just not a good barometer to measure teams and how good they are. But alas, that's why you play

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:53 am

startrekie wrote:But to not being in the poll at all, to being in the top 10 or even 5, is a bit of a stretch. Beckville should be feared.

That is a flaw within the poll itself. Archer City for whatever reason is always underranked - ie no respect from the pollster, regardless of how much information he receives. His post season poll is based on playoff finish with no regard to who the team that beat them in the playoffs. Then he bases his pre-season poll on the post season poll - no rhyme or reason. Our North Texas district is toughest district in our Region - many years 3 teams are worthy of being ranked. There is, however, a huge gap from Archer City and Windthorst to Petrolia and Seymour this season.

Last year Region I state Representative Hawley took out all three teams from the district (Windthorst in Bi-District, Petrolia in the 3rd Round, and Archer City in the Region Finals).
'14 Petrolia beat Windthorst in the Region Finals and knocked out Archer City in the 3rd Round
'13 Petrolia lost to Albany in the Region Finals, while Windthorst lost to Albany in Region Semis - Petrolia knocked out AC in the region semis

We are beating 4A teams and being competitive teams against 4A playoff teams - not saying we are going to the win the whole enchilada but we are a Top 10 team no ands, ifs or buts about it.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby WindthorstDad » Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:58 am

startrekie wrote:Some yes. I'm not taking about preseason. I'm talking now. There are 6-10 that there is no way they are top 20


I'm fine with Harleton at #6 as they will be a contender. The others are too high in my opinion but probably still top 25. Haskell should be top 15 at least.

Another issue is regional strength year in and out. Example; R4 is fairly stout and some very good teams will be sent home earlier than usual in the playoffs. Our region, R1, I would say has Windthorst, Archer City and Haskell looking at state. Other R1 teams graduated too much and just won't be in the hunt this year IMO.

I predict Shiner, Beckville, Harleton, Schulenberg, Windthorst, Archer City and Haskell will be strong teams and should be there at the end.
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:07 am

I think they were referring to the fact that there are 6-10 teams ranked that shouldn't be, not the teams that are ranked #6 through #10 - but then again it's about reporting and if a team doesn't report or if a team reports their record and not that their record is inflated due to playing teams that are not very good then teams wind up of over ranked.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:14 am

Which is the point. Anyone can report. Parents, officials. It's not a streamline process

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby WindthorstDad » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:16 am

After reading it again, I believe you're right. There may be some teams who do not belong. R4D28 will be tough with Flatonia, Ganado, Shiner and Weimar all in the same district. Iola has also had decent teams in the past and I hear Lindsay is making some noise this year in R2. As he said: that's why we play the games.
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Postby WindthorstDad » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:18 am

startrekie wrote:Which is the point. Anyone can report. Parents, officials. It's not a streamline process


That is the problem with some coaches not reporting. Polls should be off the true team record and strength of schedule in my opinion. How that is determined is another story.
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Postby Windthorstfan » Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:30 am

startrekie wrote:Which is the point. Anyone can report. Parents, officials. It's not a streamline process

Anyone can report but does he take it into consideration if it's not a coach? During the season are the rankings leaned towards teams whose coaches are members of TGCA? I quit reporting to him since it appeared my reporting was ignored. I was reporting not only Windthorst results but those of Archer City as well. The polls are head scratchers to say the least at our division. The most visible of these are the basketball polls which you can compare to TABC and see teams in the TGCA poll that often are not ranked in the TABC poll.

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Postby acesfull » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:19 pm

WindthorstDad wrote:
startrekie wrote:Which is the point. Anyone can report. Parents, officials. It's not a streamline process


That is the problem with some coaches not reporting. Polls should be off the true team record and strength of schedule in my opinion. How that is determined is another story.


Not enough time in the day to get this done, unless you hire it out in some way or delegate members. WAYYY TOO MANY SCHOOLS IN TEXAS.

Good news is it all sorts itself out in the end and a Champion is crowned.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:48 am

acesfull wrote:
WindthorstDad wrote:
startrekie wrote:Which is the point. Anyone can report. Parents, officials. It's not a streamline process


That is the problem with some coaches not reporting. Polls should be off the true team record and strength of schedule in my opinion. How that is determined is another story.


Not enough time in the day to get this done, unless you hire it out in some way or delegate members. WAYYY TOO MANY SCHOOLS IN TEXAS.

Good news is it all sorts itself out in the end and a Champion is crowned.


Absolutely. I like how THSBA does it. They have a regional coordinator that is in charge of their particular region and reports back to the main man.
The poll is a feel good operation. Plain and simple. The games will play everything out.

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Postby WindthorstDad » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:29 pm

He startrekie - while we're poking fun at the poll; which teams currently listed to you feel should not be part of the top 20?
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:53 pm

Groveton
Haskell
Cayuga
Ore city
Honey grove
Sabine pass
Normangee
Martins mill
Evadale
Frost
Teams that should be ranked
Crawford
Weimar
Bosqueville

I mean no disrespect to anyone. Just my opinion. I've been wrong before and will be wrong again.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby WindthorstDad » Thu Mar 24, 2016 8:58 pm

I can agree with one exception. Haskell is a good team and belongs in the top 20. They have a great coach in Foster who will make sure they improve by playoff time, but even now they are good. They don't have the bats of recent years but have solid pitching and defense. Weimar and Bosqueville being left out is a puzzler.
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:52 am

And as of on cue, unranked shiner handled #1 shiner last night 7-2.

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Postby WindthorstDad » Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:55 am

startrekie wrote:And as of on cue, unranked shiner handled #1 shiner last night 7-2.


Lol, I think you mean Weimar beat Shiner. As mentioned, strange they were left out.
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Postby startrekie » Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:55 am

Yes got it backwards. But you get my drift lol

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Postby Windthorstfan » Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:17 pm

startrekie wrote:Yes got it backwards. But you get my drift lol

Polls are just that polls!!! Games are decided on the field of play. A couple years back a 4-6 football team took out the #14 and #18 rated Harris Poll teams in the playoffs. Have to assume more people respect what Harris does with their polls than what TGCA does.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Philo Beddoe » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:42 am

As of right now, Shiner is not playing as the #1 team in the State, they started off with a bang, but not so much lately. I think they are just gonna have to realize that just because they are the #1 team on paper, they are gonna have to earn that trip back to State. Weimar is a very solid team, they are definitely worthy of being highly ranked.

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Postby lynx » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:33 pm

Agree with Philo...Harleton should be # 1; Beckville # 2; lots of strange stuff going on in that Weimar/Shiner district; injuries have hit Flatonia and Shiner and Ganado is not playing well overall; Thorndale and Thrall are two teams to look out for as well.

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Postby startrekie » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:25 am

Well i don't know about that. Region III shows Harleton and Beckville meeting in the third round? That will work itself out quickly.
I still believe it's a Shiner/Weimar thing. Until someone can beat them in the playoffs, it's theirs.

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Postby WindthorstDad » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:34 pm

Strange, I was expecting a new poll to be out today. Our local newspaper sports editor tweeted Windthorst was #3 and Archer City #11 but i have not seen any change on the TGCA page.
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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:40 am

Texas Girls Coaches Association softball polls

March 28, 2016

Class 2A

1. Harleton 17-2

2. Beckville 22-3-1

3. Windthorst 16-2

4. Crawford 13-1

5. Weimar 5-8-2

6. Shiner 13-4

7. Frost 9-1

8. Evadale 9-1

9. Martin’s Mill 8-0

10. Stamford 10-1

11. Archer City 15-2-1

12. DeLeon 15-3

13. Normangee 14-3

14. West Hardin 8-3

15. Milano 13-4

16. Ralls 12-4

17. Kaufer 10-2

18. Sabine Pass 6-4

19. Honey Grove 11-4

20. Schulenburg 9-5

21. Italy 13-3

22. Thorndale 9-3

23. West Texas 12-4

24. Ore City 10-4-1

25. Haskell 13-7-1

Also: Thrall, Harper, Carlisle, three Rivers, Seymour and D’Hanis

This week's poll. Bosqueville beat Crawford 3-2 last night

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby Philo Beddoe » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:30 am

Weimar's record is a little misleading, a few key players were helping them win a State title in basketball.

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Re: 2016 TGCA Softball Poll 03-21-2016

Postby startrekie » Wed Mar 30, 2016 7:37 am

They're more than worthy of that spot. Maybe higher.


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